{"id":29353,"date":"2014-06-26T00:30:00","date_gmt":"2014-06-26T03:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/?p=29353"},"modified":"2016-11-25T22:42:45","modified_gmt":"2016-11-26T01:42:45","slug":"group-tries-to-stoke-controversy-over-atheist-chaplain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2014\/06\/26\/group-tries-to-stoke-controversy-over-atheist-chaplain\/","title":{"rendered":"Group Tries to Stoke Controversy over Atheist Chaplain"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Update<\/strong><\/span>: Jason Torpy revived the issue enough to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/article\/20140626\/NEWS\/306260080\">generate a Navy Times article<\/a>, though it contained no new information.\u00a0 In fact, a Navy official reiterated a point made below &#8212; even humanists can&#8217;t really put bounds on a definition of &#8220;humanism:&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cHumanism\u2019s not a defined term across the country,\u201d the official said. \u201cThere\u2019s a group of Jewish Humanists. The Humanist Society was once the Humanist Society of Friends, a Quaker organization.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The official, referring to Heap, continued: \u201cI don\u2019t know that he represents a religious organization by any accepted definition.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Tom Carpenter, a former Marine pilot and one of the founders of the Forum on the Military Chaplaincy &#8212; the homosexual advocacy group that lobbied for the repeal of DADT &#8212; has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/tom-carpenter\/navy-chaplains-obstruct-r_b_5497103.html\">attacked the Navy chaplaincy<\/a> for not approving the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stripes.com\/news\/rejection-doesn-t-stop-campaign-to-become-military-s-first-humanist-chaplain-1.288769\">chaplaincy application of Jason Heap<\/a>, a self-described non-theistic humanist. Tragically, if not predictably, Carpenter seems to base his attack on &#8220;evidence&#8221; that does not exist [emphasis added]:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;The Navy Chief of Chaplains rejected the application of Jason Heap, a highly qualified chaplain candidate who would have been the first Humanist military chaplain. <strong>All the evidence leads invariably to the conclusion this decision was based upon a Constitutionally prohibited &#8220;religious test.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What public <em>evidence<\/em> is there the Navy rejected the application based on a &#8220;religious test?&#8221; None whatsoever.<\/p>\n<p>Carpenter <em>implies<\/em> &#8212; repeatedly &#8212; the Navy <!--more-->rejected Heap because he was a non-religious humanist. Yet he admits the Navy declined to give a reason either for Heap&#8217;s rejection or for the rejection of any <em>other<\/em> chaplain candidate. (The Navy said less than 50% were accepted.) In other words, either Carpenter has an inside track to the deliberations of the Navy, which he doesn&#8217;t assert, or he&#8217;s simply making up the &#8220;evidence&#8221; of his claim.<\/p>\n<p>In the vein of the greats like Michael &#8220;Mikey&#8221; Weinstein and his assistant Chris Rodda, Carpenter is trying to stoke a controversy to keep Heap in the public conversation. Like his allies at the MRFF, Carpenter is willing to play loose with the truth to further his agenda. After all, Carpenter&#8217;s success depends on <em>controversy<\/em>. If the Navy won&#8217;t provide it, it seems he will.<\/p>\n<p>Most comically, however, was Carpenter&#8217;s conclusion, in which he said the Navy was inhibiting the <em>religious<\/em> liberty of <em>non-religious<\/em> sailors by failing to admit a <em>non-religious<\/em> chaplain [emphasis added]:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[The Navy] is not just turning its back on Mr. Heap, but is also <strong>denying the religious liberty of tens of thousands of sailors and Marines, as well as their families<\/strong> who identify as Humanist, agnostic and atheist. These service members and their families are <strong>entitled to the kind of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">chaplain<\/span><\/strong> who will understand their problems, treat them with dignity and respect and not try to convert them &#8212; a Humanist chaplain like Jason Heap.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ironically, Carpenter&#8217;s claims are rebutted even by one of those very humanists he&#8217;s talking about: US Army Major Ray Bradley, who was the face of Jason Torpy&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2014\/05\/06\/army-adds-humanist-religious-preference\/\">fight for a &#8220;humanist&#8221; label<\/a> in the Army.\u00a0 Bradley agrees that &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/national\/archive\/2014\/05\/humanists-in-the-military\/371874\/\">atheist chaplain is an oxymoron<\/a>.&#8221;\u00a0 Even as a non-theistic humanist, Bradley said<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>A-theism<\/em> is antithetical to the idea of chaplaincy&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Besides, contrary to Carpenter&#8217;s lamentations, those &#8220;tens of thousands&#8221; of sailors and their families have adequate access to people who will &#8220;understand their problems&#8221; and treat them with respect. Those &#8220;thousands&#8221; can choose to go to a chaplain, who is a representative of a religious faith and may &#8212; or may not &#8212; bring up religion. Or, those &#8220;thousands&#8221; can go to any of a variety of other resources, including, for example, <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2013\/01\/14\/military-to-provide-secular-counseling-option\/\">Military Family Life Consultants<\/a>, who can provide precisely the support Carpenter claims the Navy is denying them &#8212; all without religion.<\/p>\n<p>Even if such support did not exist, as it does now in abundance, Carpenter never explains why he wants the government to insert a <em>non<\/em>-religious person into a <em>religious<\/em> field &#8212; a discrepancy retired Chaplain (Col) Ron Crews <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/local\/secular-group-protests-navys-rejection-of-humanist-chaplain\/2014\/06\/17\/71ae1746-f642-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html\">points out<\/a>. If Heap wants to serve the needs of troops without religion, he can always join the military as a counselor.<\/p>\n<p>Why would a <em>non<\/em>-religious person demand to be categorized with a <em>religious<\/em> title?<\/p>\n<p>Why, indeed?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Also at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theblaze.com\/stories\/2014\/06\/18\/should-the-u-s-military-allow-atheist-chaplains-latest-rejection-reignites-debate\/\">The Blaze<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"fb-like\" data-share=\"true\" data-show-faces=\"true\" data-size=\"small\" data-action=\"like\" data-layout=\"standard\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\"><strong>ADVERTISEMENT<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script><!-- blogpost --><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display: block;\" data-ad-format=\"auto\" data-ad-slot=\"2728423835\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6450825356098669\"><\/ins><script>\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});<\/script><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Update: Jason Torpy revived the issue enough to generate a Navy Times article, though it contained no new information.\u00a0 In fact, a Navy official reiterated a point made below &#8212; even humanists can&#8217;t really put bounds on a definition of &#8220;humanism:&#8221; \u201cHumanism\u2019s not a defined term across the country,\u201d the official said. \u201cThere\u2019s a group of Jewish Humanists. 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