{"id":10090,"date":"2011-03-09T03:00:16","date_gmt":"2011-03-09T08:00:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/?p=10090"},"modified":"2015-06-27T19:15:28","modified_gmt":"2015-06-27T22:15:28","slug":"rock-beyond-belief-the-truth-comes-out","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2011\/03\/09\/rock-beyond-belief-the-truth-comes-out\/","title":{"rendered":"Rock Beyond Belief: The Truth Comes Out"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, Michael Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation thinks atheists need special government support to be considered &#8220;equal&#8221; with Christians.<\/p>\n<p>The media has had a chance to digest the accusations the US Army post at Fort Bragg discriminated against atheists in their treatment of &#8220;Rock Beyond Belief,&#8221; and apparently interviewed those involved.<\/p>\n<p>Doesn&#8217;t look good for Weinstein and his MRFF crowd.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think it all boils down to money,&#8221; [Col Stephen] Sicinski said <!--more-->of the organizers&#8217; decision to cancel. &#8220;When they say &#8216;support,&#8217; they&#8217;re talking about money.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As to the $50,000 <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2011\/03\/04\/rock-beyond-belief-cancelled-weinstein-promises-lawsuit\/comment-page-1\/#comment-16100\">Chris Rodda <em>says<\/em><\/a> Fort Bragg gave in support of &#8220;Rock the Fort:&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sicinski said that was not the case.<\/p>\n<p>That money was from Christian churches on the base, Sicinski said, not from taxpayers. The Army Chaplain Corps essentially does the accounting for money raised by religious communities on bases, but the decisions on spending are up to the individual congregations.<\/p>\n<p>Money from Buddhist, Muslim and Wiccan groups at Bragg, for example, weren&#8217;t used for the Christian event, Sicinski said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2011\/03\/04\/rock-beyond-belief-cancelled-weinstein-promises-lawsuit\/comment-page-1\/#comment-16254\">prior speculation<\/a> was correct:\u00a0These were funds donated by individual congregants in what the US Army recognizes as an inherently religious act.\u00a0 Unless &#8220;Rock Beyond Belief&#8221; is going to claim it is entitled to money from the Christian offering plate, to be treated equally they will get <em>no money<\/em> from Fort Bragg &#8212; just like &#8220;Rock the Fort.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Of course, Col Sicinski didn&#8217;t actually need to say that.\u00a0 There was enough public information to conclude Chapel Tithes and Offering Funds (CTOF) were used for the event.<\/p>\n<p>As to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mysanantonio.com\/news\/article\/Bragg-defends-handling-of-non-religious-concert-1048676.php\">decision to authorize a post theatre<\/a>, rather than the parade field, it was an attempt to help salvage the event:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sicinski said his decision was aimed at essentially saving the concert [which lacked] fundraising, commitments from performers and speakers or ability to draw crowds that could sustain a large outdoor event.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Sicinski said Fort Bragg&#8217;s market analysis determined [Rock Beyond Belief] would draw, at best, hundreds of people. Events at the parade field need an expected crowd of 5,000 or more, Sicinski said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As with Chris Rodda&#8217;s unsupported statements, there were apparently a lot of <em>claims<\/em>, but little actual <em>proof or documentation<\/em> provided to support the requests.\u00a0 For example, people are focusing on Richard Dawkins as some sort of panacea for low attendance.\u00a0\u00a0Public evidence of Richard Dawkins even <em>knowing<\/em> about the\u00a0event didn&#8217;t surface until after it was cancelled.\u00a0 As to what Fort Bragg was told:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Organizers said they had invited Dawkins but <em>base officials had seen no formal agreement<\/em> he would appear.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The Freedom From Religion Foundation posted the contact information from base leaders on its site, and asked\u00a0its followers to voice their concerns (but omit the mention of the request to do so).\u00a0 Seeing the critical responses and press coverage, Sicinski says the Army is being &#8220;misrepresented.&#8221;\u00a0 Quite the understatement for the man who has essentially been equated with a rapist, racist, and\u00a0&#8220;predator,&#8221; not to mention the shame of being called a &#8220;fundamentalist Christian.&#8221;\u00a0 And that was <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2011\/03\/07\/michael-weinstein-equates-us-army-with-racists-rapists\/\">just Friday afternoon<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Despite the vitriol over his approval of &#8220;Rock Beyond Belief,&#8221; Col Sicinski appears to be quite the magnanimous leader.\u00a0 Sicinski &#8220;applauds&#8221; the efforts of the event, and indicated he would continue to support the event, whether it was scheduled for the requested April 2nd date or in the future.<\/p>\n<p>Still, he made a point of saying <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fayobserver.com\/articles\/2011\/03\/09\/1076742?sac=Home\">Fort Bragg would <em>not fund<\/em>\u00a0the event<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;We didn&#8217;t give any money to Rock the Fort. No appropriated dollars and no federal nonappropriated dollars went toward supporting that event. Now, we provided security, we provided the location. And that is exactly what we are willing to do for Rock Beyond Belief.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Michael Weinstein has likely been an impetus behind many of the criticisms of the Army&#8217;s conduct.\u00a0 He has continued to promote his conspiracy theories saying the US military is trying to favor Christianity, and the treatment of &#8220;Rock Beyond Belief&#8221; is proof.<\/p>\n<p>Ironically, Fort Bragg&#8217;s conduct is &#8220;proof&#8221; that indicts <em>Weinstein<\/em>, not the US Army.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Rock Beyond Belief&#8221; said the Fort Bragg funding was necessary to their event, without which it could not happen.\u00a0 While Christians <em>funded their own<\/em> event, Weinstein would have us believe atheists can&#8217;t fund their own event, and <em>require government support<\/em> to feel as though they&#8217;re being &#8220;treated equally&#8221; with a Christian event.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Thus, Weinstein claims\u00a0atheists are owed\u00a0the very &#8220;preferential treatment&#8221; he\u00a0says\u00a0is unConstitutional for the Army to provide.\u00a0 Self-contradict much?<\/p>\n<p>Finally, in an apparent bid at comedic relief, Michael Weinstein&#8217;s latest pithy mantra has been the US military can &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.armytimes.com\/news\/2011\/03\/ap-bragg-defends-handling-of-non-religious-concert-030811\/\">tell it to the judge<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Apparently the former JAG has forgotten that for someone to &#8220;tell it to the judge,&#8221; their case actually has to <em>get into the courtroom<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Not <em>one<\/em> of Weinstein&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/christianfighterpilot.com\/blog\/2011\/02\/10\/usafa-lawsuit-dismissed-weinstein-goes-0-for-4\/\">four prior lawsuits<\/a> against\u00a0the military\u00a0has\u00a0survived\u00a0an initial Motion to Dismiss.\u00a0 It hasn&#8217;t been for lack of trying &#8212; just a complete lack of a viable case.<\/p>\n<p>Based on the information above, it seems his threatened lawsuit &#8212; if he even follows through with it &#8212; is now in the same category.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, Michael Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation thinks atheists need special government support to be considered &#8220;equal&#8221; with Christians. The media has had a chance to digest the accusations the US Army post at Fort Bragg discriminated against atheists in their treatment of &#8220;Rock Beyond Belief,&#8221; and apparently interviewed those involved. 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