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		<title>By: God and Country &#187; Military Religion Question Answered: Beliefs</title>
		<link>http://christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2009/12/18/military-religion-question-of-the-day-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-7199</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The recent Military Religion Question of the Day involved accusations that an Air National Guard Chaplain, LtCol Dan Hornok, was &#8220;blatantly proselytizing&#8221; in a commentary he published on an Air Force website.  The article and initial commentary can be seen here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The recent Military Religion Question of the Day involved accusations that an Air National Guard Chaplain, LtCol Dan Hornok, was &#8220;blatantly proselytizing&#8221; in a commentary he published on an Air Force website.  The article and initial commentary can be seen here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2009/12/18/military-religion-question-of-the-day-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-7188</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for the confusion; I intended to communicate that the &lt;i&gt;original&lt;/i&gt; critic&#039;s quote was completely repeated here.  The &quot;comments&quot; to that quote were abbreviated since they were secondary to the source.

Believe it or not, you&#039;re not the first person to see the potential for a de facto &quot;non-sectarian state religion&quot; replacing individual faiths in government service.

I don&#039;t know about the other two, but if you look at Chaplain Hornok&#039;s original commentary (linked in the article), there is a sarcastic comment from US Army Major Laurel Williams at the bottom.  She provided the other comment on the original Facebook posting that is not repeated here.

For reference, she is an outspoken critic of religion in the military.  She has appeared in association with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&amp;article=58763&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers&lt;/a&gt; as well as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.au-fl.org/meetinginfo.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Americans United for the Separation of Church and State&lt;/a&gt;, speaking on &lt;a href=&quot;http://atheists.meetup.com/655/calendar/9072875/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;fundamentalist Christianity&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and attempts to &quot;Christianize&quot; the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for the confusion; I intended to communicate that the <i>original</i> critic&#8217;s quote was completely repeated here.  The &#8220;comments&#8221; to that quote were abbreviated since they were secondary to the source.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, you&#8217;re not the first person to see the potential for a de facto &#8220;non-sectarian state religion&#8221; replacing individual faiths in government service.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the other two, but if you look at Chaplain Hornok&#8217;s original commentary (linked in the article), there is a sarcastic comment from US Army Major Laurel Williams at the bottom.  She provided the other comment on the original Facebook posting that is not repeated here.</p>
<p>For reference, she is an outspoken critic of religion in the military.  She has appeared in association with the <a href="http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&#038;article=58763" rel="nofollow">Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers</a> as well as the <a href="http://www.au-fl.org/meetinginfo.htm" rel="nofollow">Americans United for the Separation of Church and State</a>, speaking on <a href="http://atheists.meetup.com/655/calendar/9072875/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;fundamentalist Christianity&#8221;</a> and attempts to &#8220;Christianize&#8221; the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Dealer</title>
		<link>http://christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2009/12/18/military-religion-question-of-the-day-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-7187</link>
		<dc:creator>Dealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD,

I think they may have added some more to the post, as the following is now also included:
&quot;Thank you to the many fine Chaplains who are serving our soldiers. Please help rout out those who do not uphold just standards of practice. Tax dollars are not paying salaries to further any religions. You are there to serve soldiers in faith matters, not to serve religions.&quot;

Regardless, the critic Marty implies that personal beliefs do not belong on a Chaplain&#039;s post.  If that were the case, then the Chaplain would be restricted to communal beliefs.  The next step means that the Chaplain would be faced with two choices: neglect his job and refuse to talk about spiritual matters or violate the Constitution and create communal spiritual beliefs.

I&#039;m assuming Marty wants all Chaplains to limit their public comments to the secular communal beliefs (such as Integrity, Service and Excellence).  The next step is to compare a secular-only spiritual message to the personal belief statements of an atheist.  Not much different.  You could make the case that secular-only messages establish atheism or popular science as a religion.  The only counter to that is sharing personal beliefs and qualifying those statements as personal.  The Chaplain makes it clear that he believes his statements of happiness, but allows other people to belief something other than himself.

Finally, I wonder if Weinstein and Marty used the &#039;comment&#039; section of the base&#039;s webpage?  If so, I didn&#039;t see it.  Likewise, I&#039;m contemplating putting a post on Weinstein&#039;s page....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>I think they may have added some more to the post, as the following is now also included:<br />
&#8220;Thank you to the many fine Chaplains who are serving our soldiers. Please help rout out those who do not uphold just standards of practice. Tax dollars are not paying salaries to further any religions. You are there to serve soldiers in faith matters, not to serve religions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regardless, the critic Marty implies that personal beliefs do not belong on a Chaplain&#8217;s post.  If that were the case, then the Chaplain would be restricted to communal beliefs.  The next step means that the Chaplain would be faced with two choices: neglect his job and refuse to talk about spiritual matters or violate the Constitution and create communal spiritual beliefs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming Marty wants all Chaplains to limit their public comments to the secular communal beliefs (such as Integrity, Service and Excellence).  The next step is to compare a secular-only spiritual message to the personal belief statements of an atheist.  Not much different.  You could make the case that secular-only messages establish atheism or popular science as a religion.  The only counter to that is sharing personal beliefs and qualifying those statements as personal.  The Chaplain makes it clear that he believes his statements of happiness, but allows other people to belief something other than himself.</p>
<p>Finally, I wonder if Weinstein and Marty used the &#8216;comment&#8217; section of the base&#8217;s webpage?  If so, I didn&#8217;t see it.  Likewise, I&#8217;m contemplating putting a post on Weinstein&#8217;s page&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2009/12/18/military-religion-question-of-the-day-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-7186</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full response is actually copied into this article.  However, you can see the author&#039;s original text &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-L-Weinstein/7515233409&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s a dynamic Facebook page; the referenced text is currently about the 7th &quot;post&quot; down on the &quot;wall.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full response is actually copied into this article.  However, you can see the author&#8217;s original text <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-L-Weinstein/7515233409" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  It&#8217;s a dynamic Facebook page; the referenced text is currently about the 7th &#8220;post&#8221; down on the &#8220;wall.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dealer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD -I found the original article with the Chaplain&#039;s post (through the link you provided), but I can&#039;t find the critic&#039;s full response.  Where did the critic(s) post his comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD -I found the original article with the Chaplain&#8217;s post (through the link you provided), but I can&#8217;t find the critic&#8217;s full response.  Where did the critic(s) post his comment?</p>
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