Atheist Supports Restricting Military Religious Freedom

Update: Former Marine pilot Tom Carpenter of the Forum on the Military Chaplaincy — a liberal activist group — largely repeated the list below a few weeks later, though he did so without attribution.


Jason Torpy, the one-man band that is the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, recently posted a point-by-point refutation of recent accusations of the US military being hostile to Christianity.

Much of his disagreement was nuance or the way in which something was phrased, which isn’t worth discussing here.  The interesting ones, though, were the cases in which he agreed with the US military’s “anti-Christian” actions:

January 2010 — Department of Defense orders removal of tiny Bible references on military scopes and gunsights.
Torpy: True and appropriate.

This issue has been discussed before.  While there is no religious requirement the references remain, the fact they were targeted because of their (obscure) religious reference — only after Michael Weinstein complained, notably — is troubling.  That he would seek this out, sensationalize it, and then the US military would acquiesce to such a hypersensitivity says much about the relationship between Weinstein and the US military.

September 2011 — Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of religious programs.
Torpy: True and appropriate. Policy memo remands religious activities to the chaplain’s office to avoid appearance of command endorsement of religion.

Retired Army Col Don Snider had an effective discussion on this topic.  It begs the question:  How do the Marines, Navy, and Army avoid “appearance of command endorsement” without this policy?  The answer is simple, of course: A commander announcing chaplain programs does not equate to religious endorsement.  That the Air Force felt the need to create this policy says much about the environment of hypersensitivity to religion in the service.

The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child because it is run by Christians.
Torpy: True and appropriate. The faith-based program was removed from the command chain and remanded to the chaplain corps.

Torpy actually errs here.  OCC was a cadet sponsored event, not a command sponsored event.  The fact that a USAFA cadet could stand up and support any charitable event except religious ones is on awkward Constitutional grounds, and it says much about the hypersensitivity to religion at USAFA.  Remember, no one cared until a cadet emailed Michael Weinstein — a cadet, by the way, who “didn’t think much of it.”  It was Weinstein, not the cadet, who declared it an issue.

February 2012 — The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read archbishop’s letter to soldiers.
Torpy: True and appropriate. Chaplains prevented from preaching anti-Obama, anti-choice letter from the pulpit – preach don’t politic.

Torpy should probably read Rigdon v Perry, in which a District Court said the US military couldn’t do this very thing.  Oddly, the Army said the Catholic chaplains could distribute the letter, just not read it during their religious services.  That Torpy would agree with direct Army control of religious services is unusual, since most atheists advocate a much stronger view of “separation of church and state” — at least, when it suits their purposes.

August 2012 — Lt. Col. Jack Rich of the U.S. Army emails subordinates saying they should be on the lookout for people who share FRC’s values because they are not “Army values.”
Torpy: True in that the email went out and that FRC’s values are not Army values.

Of course, the Family Research Council’s “values” are largely consistent with mainstream Christian values — and the Army disavowed the characterization of an attack on a religion, though not the email itself.  But it seems Torpy is in agreement with the perception the US Army has labeled Christians a “hate group.”  That a military officer could send out such an email at all, without repercussion, says much of the lack of hypersensitivity to religion, if it is Christianity being demeaned.

2013 — Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers include “Evangelical Christianity” and “Catholicism” along with the terrorist organizations Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of “religious extremism.”
Torpy: True and resolved. The incident occurred and then the Army apologized publicly, reprimanded the soldier, and took action to prevent issues in the future.

This time, Torpy seems to be willfully misleading.  This issue was previously discussed here.  The Army did not apologize publicly (the briefer reportedly did, privately).  In fact, Congress has called on the Army to do so, but there is no indication they have.  Despite Torpy’s assertive statement, there is no public indication any Soldier was “reprimanded” (nor would there be, since such action would be protected by the Privacy Act).  Finally, the Army took no action “to prevent issues in the future” outside of that single brief; it said the slide had been removed from the sole briefing in which it was a part. Interestingly, Torpy seems intent on making the Army look overly contrite, likely because he’s actively trying to undermine the basis for the accusations of cultural hostility in the military toward Christianity — while simultaneously agreeing with instances in which it has been hostile to Christians, according to some.

Ultimately, none of this is surprising.  Torpy called these actions legitimate restrictions on “rampant proselytism,” apparently because he’s concerned about the large numbers of people converting to Christianity while they serve in the US military.  Actually, not.  Torpy just advocates for the restriction of religious liberty when he disagrees with the religion.  As an example, long ago, Torpy said he expected DADT repeal to result in the restriction of religious liberty — and he welcomed it.  Jason Torpy is a former Army Captain and current atheist; normally, he focuses on “freedom” for atheists.  Sometimes, though, he rails against religious liberty.

Apparently Jason Torpy wants ‘freedom for me, but not for thee.’

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7 comments

  • When you say that Torpy wants ‘freedom for me, but not for thee,’ you seem to be asserting that any limitation on Christianity’s call to proselytize is an attack on Christian freedom of religion. Is Christianity’s right to proselytize exclusive, or do you also grant that right to Buddhist, Muslim or atheist officers who want to pressure Christians of lesser rank?

  • @MESkeptic

    asserting that any limitation on Christianity’s…

    You apparently need to re-read the article. It says little about Christianity and nothing about “proselytizing.”

    officers who want to pressure Christians of lesser rank

    That’s an excellent example of the logical fallacy known as a “loaded question.”

    It would seem your personal prejudices are so strong you’re unable to discuss what’s actually being said, and instead substitute what you think is being said — and you think what you’ve been led to think by those with a personal vendetta against religious liberty in general or Christianity specifically.

  • I’m sorry, JD; maybe I misunderstood. Please explain exactly what you consider “anti-Christian” about a military policy that says superior officers shoudln’t abuse their authority to religiously pressure those of lesser rank. That IS what we’re talking about, regardless of what dark persecution fantasies you may have to the contrary.

  • @MESkeptic

    …explain exactly what you consider “anti-Christian”

    You are misattributing that characterization.

  • You said I misattributed the “antiChristian” label. I’m open to the possibility this is a sincere misunderstanding between us, but it’s a stretch. You said:

    “The interesting ones, though, were the cases in which he agreed with the US military’s “anti-Christian” actions”

    You go on to give examples in which religious neutrality is defended against instances of exclusive Christian privilege. They include military leaders making religious announcements, reading sectarian documents, and purchasing guns on which contractors have put Christian Bible verses. That shouldn’t be too much to ask.

    Even the one legitimate complaint you might have, that the word “Evangelical” appeared on one slide of a PowerPoint on religious extremism, is not equivalent to being “anti-Christian,” since there are non-Evangelical Christians.

    Given that content, how is it unfair to say that you consider religious neutrality to be ‘anti-Christian?’ The rights of Christians have not been abridged; only exclusive privilege has.

  • @MESkeptic
    The “anti-Christian” is in quotes because it was a quote from the linked source.

    how is it unfair to say that you consider religious neutrality to be ‘anti-Christian?’

    That seems to fall under the “loaded question” fallacy. For the record, though, the Supreme Court has addressed the issue of whether the government can be so “neutral” as to be “hostile” to religion. See Abington v Schempp, for example:

    We agree of course that the State may not establish a ‘religion of secularism’ in the sense of affirmatively opposing or showing hostility to religion, thus ‘preferring those who believe in no religion over those who do believe.’

  • “The “anti-Christian” is in quotes because it was a quote from the linked source.”

    It’s more than a little confusing, because you were quoting an atheist who was quoting the FRC, who actually referred to these religiously neutral actions as “anti-Christian.”

    If you agree with the accusations against the U.S. military, meaning that you consider its actions anti-Christian, then your quote marks around the phrase “anti-Christian” are unnecessary. Or are you saying that you disagree with the FRC’s characterization? That’s not a “gotcha” question; I’m still trying to figure out what you mean.

    “…The Supreme Court has addressed the issue of whether the government can be so “neutral” as to be “hostile” to religion…”

    Nothing you’ve quoted Torpy as saying is “hostile” to religion. We’re not talking about the thought police here, monitoring every word a Christian military leader says. The issue is whether they can continue to behave as if the military is a Christian organization in which nonChristians are only welcome as long as they defer to their betters.